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Eaimirth Etaivella · Jan 24, 2006, 02:42 AM // 02:42

I thought about it, and since critical attacks always cause the max damage of the weapon then pulled through an attack bonus...Why not give an assassin an axe, boost up his crit to something insane, and watch as the axe's "variable" damage is no longer "risky" and becomes "godly"

Here are some skills I have thought of, this is not a build layout, just some ideas (Warrior Ideas I will not explain)

In short, this set allows you to get about 70% chance for a critical-and 35%~ of those criticals you will gain 2-3 energy, so that covers energy management. Also Critical defenses is granted to be up a long, long time.

Discuss =D

Critical Defenses
10 Energy, 1 second cast, 30 Recharge
Enchantment spell. For 4 seconds, you have a 25%...45% chance to "block".
Critical Defenses refreshes everytime you land a critical hit.

Critical Eye
5 Energy, 30 recharge
Skill. For 10...30 seconds, you have an additional 1%...6% chance to land a
critical hit when attacking. You gain 1 energy whenever you score a critical hit.

Expunge Enchantments
10 energy, 3/4 cast, 30 recharge
Skill. All of your other non-attack skills are disabled for 10...6 seconds.
For each skill disabled in this way, target touched foe loses one enchantment.

Mark of Death
10 energy, 1/4 cast, 20 recharge
Hex Spell. For 4...9 seconds, target foe gains 20% less benefit from healing

Siphon Strength
15 energy, 2 cast, 30 recharge
Elite hex spell. For 5...10 seconds, target foe deals -15 damage with attacks
and all of your attacks against that foe have an additional 33% chance of being
a critical hit.

Flurry

Wild Blow

Distracting blow

Swift Chop

Penetraiting attack

phosho · Jan 24, 2006, 04:35 AM // 04:35

wont the attack speed be slower?

Eaimirth Etaivella · Jan 24, 2006, 04:46 AM // 04:46

Than two handed daggers? Not by much, swords are slightly the fastest in the game, whilist daggers are only faster than swords due to double attack, which is a somewhat rare occurence. So the attack will not suffer much of a loss, if noticable.

Murder In China · Jan 24, 2006, 05:03 AM // 05:03

Try to read up on some evidence before making an assumption that swords are faster.
Axes = Swords attack speed at 1.33 seconds.

Excer · Jan 24, 2006, 05:19 AM // 05:19

hmm. i dunno i still the think a warrior using an axe will do more dmg. with A/W you loose the +4 axe mastery, and you loose your armor penetration from str.

JR · Jan 24, 2006, 05:49 AM // 05:49

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Originally Posted by Excer

and you loose your armor penetration from str.

Which is a completely miniscule amount at the moment. Strength is pretty much broken.

Murder In China · Jan 24, 2006, 06:16 AM // 06:16

^ I agree with JR-, Strength isn't a great Primary for it's bonus.

Glasswalker · Jan 25, 2006, 06:42 PM // 18:42

Also agreed. Strength is there for the skills more than the armor penetration.
If Critical Strike gives a crit bonus to any weapon, and not just dagger attacks, then this would be huge damage.

16% base chance + 33 for Siphon Strength + 8 or 9 for Critical Eye = 57-58% chance of doing max damage + skill damage.

Of course you can't keep Siphon Strenth up constantly, so 2/3 of the time the chance is more like 24-25%. And that all goes on top of your usual chance to get a crit, and I have no idea what that is. At Axe Mastery 12 though, it should be decent.

But the Assassin does a hell of a lot of damage without an Axe. With the standard A/W build I figured I was doing ~275 damage in 4 swings + bleed. Roughly 4 seconds. One would have to question if going Axe would help your DPS after all.

SaintGreg · Jan 25, 2006, 07:18 PM // 19:18

At 12 weapon mastery supposedly you get a 20% chance to critical vs enemies your same level.

Murder In China · Jan 26, 2006, 02:11 AM // 02:11

Here's the equation for Critical Hits:

Critical hit chance = (1+[1.25*Attribute])*2^( [CLVL - TLVL]/5)

Where, Attribute = your weapon attribute level
CLVL = your character level
TLVL = target's level

Basically you will have approximately a 16% chance to cause a critical hit when you have a level 12 attribute. For every 5 levels above your target your critical hit chance will double, and for every 5 levels below your target your chance will half.

Bugeater · Jan 27, 2006, 04:42 PM // 16:42

Assumptions:
The damage increase do to weapon mastery is the same for axes and daggers.
Critical Strikes affects axes as well as daggers.
Crit percentages stack.
An Assassin can crit on one (or both) of his double hits
Crit damage is 1.41*max weapon damage
Murder In China's equation is right (where'd you get that btw)

A/W with Critical Strikes 13, Dagger Mastery 16
Critical Hit Chance = 13 (CS13) + 21 (DM16) + 6 (Critical Eye) = 40%
Hits Per Second = .99 (Double Hit Chance = 32%)
Crit Damage = 24
Average Damage (w/o crits) = 12
Average Damage (w/crits) = 16.8
DPS = 16.632

A/W with Critical Strikes 16, Axe Mastery 12
Critical Hit Chance = 16 (CS16) + 16 (AM12) + 7 (Critical Eye) = 39%
Hits Per Second = .75
Crit Damage = 39.6
Average Damage (w/o crits) = 17
Average Damage (w/crits) = 25.814
DPS = 19.36

W/A with Axe Mastery 16
Critical Hit Chance = 21 (AM16)
Other stuff = same as above
DPS = 16.31

if the crit percentages don't exactly stack, but are each evaluated seperately it looks like this:
A/W Dagger DPS = 16.08
A/W Axe DPS = 18.58
W/A Axe DPS = 16.31

Of course this isn't taking into account damage from skills but that becomes exponentially more complex due to the combinations and timing of skills.

Glasswalker · Jan 27, 2006, 09:07 PM // 21:07

Wow. Good work Bugeater.

The number I gave up top was with the skills, and all successfully hitting.

Do we actually have numbers on the attack rate of daggers? It felt faster, and now I wish I had timed it.

I suspect that we may find Critical Strikes doesn't affect anything but daggers, but we will have to wait and see.

Ensign · Jan 27, 2006, 11:58 PM // 23:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Murder In China

Here's the equation for Critical Hits:

Critical hit chance = (1+[1.25*Attribute])*2^( [CLVL - TLVL]/5)

I'll say little more about this equation other than it is wrong. Demonstrating that it is wrong can be done trivially by beating on low level monsters with a zero weapon attribute. I prefer the bandits outside of Fort Ranik - they're level 3, and the critical hit chance you'll observe with a level 20 character and no attribute is in the 50-70% range. If you can find a level 1 target (like in the undead hordes quest, or an unspecced spirit) you'll find that your critical hit chance is arbitrarily close to 100%.

That said, once you throw the maddening level dependence out the window (and, really, you should if you value your sanity), this is reasonably accurate, a little low on the high end in my experience but close enough. I've been using 1.5*attribute level for critical hit percentage, and while I'm pretty sure that isn't right either they're both 'close enough' to make decisions with.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glasswalker

Do we actually have numbers on the attack rate of daggers? It felt faster, and now I wish I had timed it.

It's identical to the sword/axe attack rate.

Peace,
-CxE

tafy69 · Jan 30, 2006, 11:28 AM // 11:28

I actually tried an assasin with an axe on the dummies, critical damage was 52 i think, tested with wild blow.

I came to the conclussion the assasin needed frenzy to use an axe, and that is way too risky for my liking. Also u would need 9 in strength for a shield.

Oh and no endure pain

Guardian of the Light · Jan 30, 2006, 07:48 PM // 19:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by tafy69

I actually tried an assasin with an axe on the dummies, critical damage was 52 i think, tested with wild blow.

I came to the conclussion the assasin needed frenzy to use an axe, and that is way too risky for my liking. Also u would need 9 in strength for a shield.

Oh and no endure pain

......have u heard of tactics buddy?

Phades · Jan 30, 2006, 08:40 PM // 20:40

Its still a bad 3 way split of skills utilizing none of what make the assassin unique.

tafy69 · Jan 30, 2006, 11:59 PM // 23:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guardian of the Light

......have u heard of tactics buddy?

oops i meant tactics